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This Is Embarrassing…

Wednesday, June 16th, 2010
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I remember our first trip to Jamaica more than 13 years ago. It was our first cruise and Ocho Rios was one of the ports of call.

Ronda and I climbed Dunn’s River Falls and after the falls a local took a Polaroid of us and handed it to me.

Not knowing the local “landscape” at the time, I took possession of the Polaroid from the man’s hands – and before I knew it – he was asking for $5.00. For a stinkin’ Polaroid picture! When I told him “no” and tried to hand it back, he pushed my hand away only to stick his other hand out for his $5.00 “picture fee”. The more I told him I wasn’t interested – the more he insisted.

I finally ended up dropping his picture on the ground and walking away.

When we got back on board that afternoon I saw a number of souvenir shirts that read what’s pictured here.

I swore at that moment that our next trip to Jamaica would include this shirt.

We’ve been back several times since then, and I can’t remember which cruise I found it on, but it’s one of my favorite shirts I keep in my drawer.

Yesterday afternoon I got a Google Alert that made me think of this shirt. So I pulled it out, ironed it (it was really wrinkled) and took a snapshot of it just for this article.

Why? Because there are really stupid people in this world who can’t take “NO” for an answer.

Remember the the $100 million Class Action filed two years ago that’s been pulverized, beaten, and obliterated by the Courts turning the entire lawsuit into a very amusing joke? Well it just took a turn for the worse from “joke” to total “embarrassment” because they’re at it – AGAIN!

I wasn’t kidding when I said these idiots think Class Action lawsuits are like cats who have nine lives. It’s simply refilled for another shot. There have been six rulings over the last two years which the Court has denied or dismissed on separate occasions – and instead changing their stance – coming at it from another angle, or better yet – just admitting defeat – these pin heads just keep spouting the same tired argument over and over again.

After six ruling against them, I’m sorry, but it’s time to consider a Mental Health evaluation, not a Lawyer.

What’s even more mind blowing is their claims and position hasn’t changed a single bit. The latest filing is almost verbatim of the first suit file two years ago. It’s the same bogus myths and pyramid scheme mantra with the same cast of characters. What happened to words like “failed”, “corrected”, “deficiency”, “amending”, “incorrectly”, and “realized after 100 hours of arguing”?

Apparently, it was nothing more than lip service. Nothing’s changed and they haven’t learned a blessed thing.

True to form – they’re myths and illusions are spot on – and your knowledge and experience is wrong. The Courts have called this ordeal an “ungainly monster” and used specific words like “redundant, immaterial, impertinent, or scandalous matter” in one ruling, and “the very definition of a fishing expedition” in another ruling.

A Zealots response? Damn the torpedoes – we’re going full speed ahead.

I’m sorry guys…but I have zero tolerance for this kind of stupidity and arrogance. Zealots like this, and the “professional” gang like Frenaye and Stilphen who continue to pitch this pyramid scheme mantra are just dumber than dirt. Anyone who wants to hitch their wagon to this dead horse is only hurting themselves and their reputation. There’s no gray area after all this time and all these rulings.

The answer is still going to be “NO”.

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Update: Entire YTB Class Action – Dismissed

Wednesday, May 26th, 2010
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For anyone hoping that the one remaining defendant left in the Illinois Class Action would save the day – sorry. (Not really, but “sorry” sure sounds good!)

Saw this coming a mile away: If it’s going to be tried at all – it will have to be done in State Court. A guy who spent just 6 months attempting to become a “travel agent” and quit cause he couldn’t make any money. (Gee, a whole 6 months was all it took to figure it all out?)

This from KMOX news:

EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. (KMOX) — More now on the federal suit against an on-line travel business accused of operating a pyramid scheme.

A federal judge in Southern Illinois has formally dismissed the entire consumer lawsuit against Wood River-based YTB  – also known as Your Travel Biz .

The judge had dismissed most of the original plaintiffs last week, based on the fact they aren’t residents of Illinois where the company is based, but were suing under the Illinois Consumer Fraud Act.   Now the court has ruled the final plaintiff, who is an Illinois resident, must take the case to state court.

Plaintiffs had alleged YTB was operating an illegal pyramid scheme.  YTB charges investors for the right to sell travel packages.  Investors claimed they weren’t able to make money without recruiting new investors.

The Illinois Attorney General has also filed a lawsuit against YTB based on consumer complaints.

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Two years of praying that $100 million would put YTB out of business…out with one last puff of smoke.

Buh – Bye

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YTB Class Action Denied – AGAIN!

Monday, May 24th, 2010
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In 2008 a group of “ambulance chasers” filed a Class Action suit against YTB International in an attempt to cash in on California’s claim that YTB was nothing more than a “gigantic pyramid scheme”. The Class filed an absurd suit stating that YTB “operated an illegal pyramid sales scheme and employed an illegal chain referral sales technique in violation of the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business”. The complaint was filed in an attempt to “recover money illegally obtained” by YTB to the tune of $100 million.

Not a bad return for only 8 months of work on average per defendant. (Two in the Class only dabbled in YTB for 4 months before calling it quits.)

When California filled it’s Civil Case against YTB back in August, 2008 – opportunists saw California’s “accusations” as a way to justify their own failures and short lived carriers with YTB. As a result, zealots and cynics of YTB cheered with amusement over the apparently insurmountable odds that were slapped down on YTB.

Fortunately, (or unfortunately if you’re a critic of YTB) the legal process isn’t nearly as gullible or willing to allow mere perception or beliefs override or dictate right from wrong. If you’re going to file a lawsuit in any court of law – you best have all your ducks in a row.

I haven’t followed many Class Action cases. In fact, none other than the current Class Action come to mind. This Class however, has been a real eye-opener on what NOT to do when filing a lawsuit.

It’s proven to be one colossal misstep after another – a massive amount of disrespect towards authority – and an intolerance to actually learn from past mistakes.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned about zealots and cynics of Network Marketing and especially YTB it’s this:

They’re right – you’re wrong – and there is no amount of evidence, documentation, or legal precedence that can be produced to convince these dolts that their barking up the wrong tree.

Their defense is always the same. Keep barking over and over in an attempt to exhaust the opposition of time, money and/or patience.

What’s even more astonishing about their illusions and phobias surrounding the Network Marketing and MLM industry is their obsession has no boundaries. As if the laws of our land will magically realign if they simply repeat or chant their limiting and unfounded beliefs over and over again.

What happens as a result?

The $100 million Class Action filed two years ago has been pulverized, beaten, and obliterated by the Courts turning the entire lawsuit into a very amusing joke for this writer to expose as a proud member of YTB.

The Courts have also exposed this ordeal with the following statement in its latest analysis and ruling filed last week, May 13, 2010.

“In fact, pursuing discovery in the hopes of turning up something that may lead to a lawsuit seems to the Court to be the very definition of a fishing expedition.”

Nothing like calling a spade a spade now is there?

What’s even more amusing about this suit is how the Plaintiffs appear to have the attitude that Class Action lawsuits are like cats who have nine lives. When slaughtered, simply refile an amended suit for reconsideration. There have been five rulings over the last two years which the Court has denied on separate occasions – and instead of calling it quits – Plaintiffs simply come back for more.

After the First Amended Consolidated Complaint was stricken from the record and dismissed on June 5, 2009 – Plaintiffs considered the dismissal nothing more than a “first draft”. An amended complaint was conjured up just days later; this time even more brazen and bold than the first. While critics labeled the complaint “powerful” I had my own views on the subject. I outlined how the Plaintiffs in this case were just as clueless as the critics who have been plastering “pyramid scheme” all over the internet for years.

To add insult to injury, the Honorable Patrick Murphy would not only agree with my views just days later – but add the words “redundant, immaterial, impertinent, and scandalous matter” as an exclamation point to the amended filing on June 20, 2009.

I’ve heard it said that a dog only needs his snout smacked just a few times before it sticks his tail between his legs and whimpers away. Critics and Zealots? They appear to be a completely different breed all together. They get smacked and have the audacity to bark back at the individual who laid down the law.

On the very slimmest of margins, Plaintiffs refiled an adaptation of the First Complaint in December, 2009 – complete with all the trimmings the Court had denied several times prior. If it couldn’t pass muster the first time, I don’t know what possessed them to refile again – other than pure ego or stupidity. (Most likely, a combination of both.)

As a result, the Plaintiffs third attempt has once again been denied.

How pathetic – yet strangely riveting at the same time. They just can’t learn anything new – or consider the fact that their perceptions and beliefs just might be the ones that are wrong. Oh the humanity!

What makes this especially gratifying is that zealots have finally hit a wall they can’t slither under, over or around. Perceptions and mere words in the Court of Law are meaningless at this point. That’s really all they’ve ever had when it comes down to it. When faced with having to do things “by the book” they’ve wound up bloody and beaten like a drum. Exposed as scandalous and nothing more than a “me too” type suit to extort money as greedy bastards themselves.

All in the name of this fantasy – or phobia – about Network Marketing being a “pyramid scheme”.

Give me a break.

You won’t find much about this case anywhere else. Since all the teeth and therefore the fear has been pulled out of this suit, there’s not much to write about. The media needs something far more meaty, and zealots are left with more egg on their face – so they’ll just ignore it.

For the rest of us who actually like to educate ourselves to become better business minds and responsible citizens; we use this example to learn and grow. You’ve heard it said that success leaves clues. We’ll in some cases like this one – so does failure.

That’s why we are never denied the last laugh.

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YTB – “Very Optimistic” This Week

Monday, August 24th, 2009
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According to YTB’s 10Q filing with the SEC, the office of the Illinois Attorney General has agreed to extend the date by which YTB must respond the Illinois complaint to this Wednesday, August 26, 2009. If you’re not aware, or forgotten due to last months Convention and the improvements YTB is currently enjoying we wanted to prepare you that another chapter is about to revealed for discussion of both pro and con on blogs, forums and message boards all over the internet. (We are talking about YTB after all!)

illinois_capitolBefore the ink was able to dry on the California Settlement on May 14th, Lisa Madigan, the Illinois Attorney General, filed their civil complaint against YTB and the Founders the same day. Many of the claims and allegations were a mirror image of what was found in the California complaint. Although Illinois had opened an ongoing “investigation” that started just days after the California complaint filed last August, 2008, Illinois apparently chose a “wait and see” attitude. (Possibly in the hope that California would be successful in shutting YTB down.)

YTB management obviously can’t discuss legal matters publicly or with the field. However the two words we hear over and over from the Founders and Executives is “very optimistic”. We would agree with this optimism based on the successful settlement agreement in California, and the Illinois class action that has already been thrown out. The allegations brought against the company are based in fear, myths, and deception and one needs to keep in mind that the foundation of court rulings and decisions are based on fact and documented law.

We’re not going to bore you, (or for that matter insult or taint your intelligence) with the gross misrepresentations and allegations made against YTB. Other than claims that YTB continues to promote Royal Caribbean, NCL and IATA as a benefit of joining – the premise of the entire complaint is based on the belief that one must to “pay to play” for the opportunity to recruit others into the YTB business. (The “gigantic pyramid scheme” mantra.)

We possibly need to elaborate for you, like YTB will this week with the courts that the YTB model, as it has always been from day one, does not require payment for the opportunity to recruit others. Nor does YTB “pay” someone simply to recruit.

The $449.95 provides a travel website and $49.95 a month provides the continued maintenance of a travel website in order to sell travel. (Travel sales generated from these travel websites were documented at $424 million in 2008) Payments to the field as either an Associate or Website Seller (Rep) are dependent on the travel site (or product) being sold and maintained. Most Host Agencies such as Uniglobe, Travel Planners International, Nexion, MTravel, Expedia Cruise ShipCenters, and Dugan’s Travels are also dependent on the sale of sites being sold to others (in order to therefore generate travel sales) and all charge a startup fee and monthly maintenance fee for website hosting and maintenance of a booking engine, support, training, licensing, and/or E&O insurance for their product or service.

As we’ve found so many times before, all the focus and attention is pinned directly on the Network Marketing aspect of the company while all rules, customs, and normal business practices are thrown out the window. Instead of YTB keeping the money generated from payments of $449.95 and $49.95 a month as other hosts do, YTB pays field representatives for sales they produce and maintain in their own organization. Limiting beliefs are compounded by critics, Attorney Generals, and former Reps who failed, based on the fear that everyone does not have the same opportunity to generate income in this fashion. There are additional phobias based on the MLM model running out of prospects, instead of realizing that it takes personal responsibility, action and effort to build an organization. To compound the emotion of these fears and phobias, the model in some cases does generate millions of dollars of income for common everyday individuals who go to work, promote and build a business of other websites under them. (As documented in both the 2007 and 2008 Rep Income Disclosure Statements.)

The cost for such an opportunity? Not a single penny.

Avon, Mary Kay, PrePaid Legal, NuSkin, EcoQuest, Amway, Primerica, Fuller Brush, and HerbaLife have all built their business via the Network Marketing and Direct Sales model for multiple decades, generating billions, no…TRILLIONS in income. However, fears concerning the window of opportunity for YTB will soon end for someone at the bottom of the pyramid. Because of this unfounded and undocumented belief, there are those who feel its up to them to step in and protect others from something that has never – EVER happened.

Is there any question that YTB believes it has meritorious defenses to the claims and intends to vigorously defend its case based on fact, not perception?

Regardless of your keen understanding and intelligence to see YTB for what it truly is, YTB should be able to successfully defend the misrepresentation and limiting beliefs made in the complaint filed by the Illinois Attorney General. Unlike the many blogs, forums, and bizarre emotional outbursts we see concerning the YTB company, it’s Founders, and the people involved, on the internet – the legal system instead must favor on the side of actual documentation and facts, not perception.

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Amended Class Action Against YTB Thrown Out

Tuesday, July 21st, 2009
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On Friday, I wrote about an absolutely ridiculous amended complaint filed by a group of "ambulance chasers" looking to score a quick buck. Outrageous claims were made in the re-filed amendment which stated YTB had perpetrated an illegal pyramid scheme that represents the largest fraud in the history of the State of Illinois! It further stated YTB was one of the largest frauds in this history of this nation, exceeded only by the likes of Bernie Madoff’s illegal Ponzi scheme.

Critics and Anti-MLM Zealots flocked to message boards, blogs, and trade publications to celebrate the new filing, with hopes that big bad YTB would soon perish from the industry. One “professional” went as far as calling the amended document “powerful” on his blog. The post even claimed Counsel had learned a thing or two from California just to make the claim stick. Questions were also raised if Coach would be sharing a cell with Mr. Madoff as a closing chapter of his new book “The Fourth Quarter”.

thrown outAfter reading the amended filing, I was amused regarding the terminology used by Counsel in the complaint. I pointed out that words like “failed”, “corrected”, “deficiency”, “amending”, “incorrectly”, and “realized after 100 hours of arguing” placed doubt if this amendment had teeth or substance. If the first filing was riddled with errors, how was it right now?

I spent part of my weekend discussing with other Director’s and TSO’s which prompted a hardy laugh over YTB’s ability to steal from other Brick and Mortar Travel Agencies putting them out of business. We also questioned how anyone could think that 4 months would be enough time to effectively work either an MLM opportunity or Travel Business.

Critics also went round and round this past weekend, with their own illusions surrounding this amended complaint. The self proclaimed MLM expert was once again (as he and other Zealots have always been) incapable of understanding any perspective other than their own. After a very creative play with my words in Fridays article, the attention was placed back on YTB and my beliefs. By doing this, it raised the same question that has been asked of me many times over the last year.

Can I have a “warm fuzzy” concerning the legal actions brought against YTB?

I responded in part with the following comment:

I do have a warm fuzzy and have enjoyed how our legal system is making everyone cross their T’s and dot it’s I’s. Like the California legal process, the process in Illinois not only points out but apparently knows what the law is. While neither claim filed in each state enjoys the same luxury you have here on the internet, I know that their claims, unlike you, are being held accountable to prove the accusations made in regard to actual law.

We finally found a system and process that knows how to read, comprehend, and logically work through things in order to set the record straight.

While it’s taking some time, and we have to endure you’re idiosyncrasies with words, phobias, and obsession with YTB, much has already been brought to light to show the truth.

Little did I realize when I wrote that response to John Frenaye, how quickly the Court would respond.

I mentioned how humorous I found the accusations made in this amended filing. Please understand, that I’ve been dealing with critics for some time. I have come to the conclusion that correcting or educating any of these dolts is a fairy tale. While I could get upset, frustrated, or angry with them for ignoring simple, straight forward facts that I’ve actually experienced to be true, critics are no longer worth the amount of energy.

The Honorable G. Patrick Murphy who has been ruling in this class action complaint was not amused however. In fact, he essentially took the “ungainly monster of 39 pages containing 133 paragraphs“, rolled it into a cone, and used it as an instrument to whack Plaintiffs Counsel upside the back of their heads.

Judge Murphy filed his response on Monday to the amended complaint filed just last week on July 15th. It’s important to read this short response in full to feel the tone of this ruling which was penned by the District Judge. His words clearly vibrate frustration with Counsel concerning this amended filing “that likely does not pass muster under the familiar federal “notice pleading” standard”. The ruling also states that “a good deal of the flabbiness in the sprawling pleading before the Court consists of paragraphs of legal argument challenging the Court’s earlier dismissal of the ICFA claims of the non-Illinois Plaintiffs”.

There are many points of interest in this ruling that should be noted for everyone.

Although no responsive pleading has been filed in this case, the Court’s dismissal of the case pursuant to its June 5, 2009, order terminated Plaintiffs’ right to file an amended complaint as a matter of course. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 15(a); Wheeler v. Pension Value Plan for Employees of Boeing Co., No. 06-cv-500-DRH, 2007 WL 2608875, at **3-4 (S.D. Ill. Sept. 6, 2007) (collecting cases). Accordingly, the Court will strike the First Amended Consolidated Complaint in this case. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(f) (authorizing a court sua sponte to strike “redundant, immaterial, impertinent, or scandalous matter” contained in a pleading). If Plaintiffs wish to file their First Amended Consolidated Complaint as it is pleaded currently, they will file a motion requesting leave of Court to do so. In their motion Plaintiffs should bear in mind that the Court’s order entered June 5, 2009, establishes the law of the case, from which the Court is unlikely to depart absent a showing of compelling reasons to do so.

While I’m certain some will continue to argue this point, the amended filing was not the least bit “powerful” but instead exposed for what it really was by the Court. Redundant, immaterial, impertinent, or scandalous matters may work for some on the internet via the blogs and forums populated by a few critics. When it comes to a Court of Law, you should present some sort of substance to an individual who obviously knows the law. Since none was found, the amended complaint was kick back out and exposed what it really is.

A big ol’ pile of horse dung.

While some spend a vast amount of time twisting and spinning every move YTB makes based on stereotypes and myths surrounding pyramid schemes and scams on the internet, a Court of Law is clearly a different story.

As a general rule the Court is not fond of “ill-founded requests for reconsideration of matters previously decided,” given that such requests “needlessly take the court’s attention from current matters and visit inequity upon opponents who, prevailing in an earlier proceeding, must nevertheless defend their position again and again.”

It’s sad to say, but it’s SO true. Critics never give up their position. For some, giving up or admitting wrong would shatter their very existence. Especially those who blog and post their dribble day after day. You also need to remember that because both the California complaint that took almost a year to settle, and now the new light of this ruling regarding the Class Action, each day that passed without a resolution added validation of their illusions. The words “gigantic pyramid scheme” still ringing in their ears.

If you say it enough times, it’s got to be true…right? Rex Carr said it, and they’re the best from what we’ve been told.

Here’s one last statement in the ruling from the Court. I want you to read this and take it to heart. Going into the Convention which is now just days away, we as a company need to have this same attitude towards those that are attacking and slandering YTB and it’s members.

Put another way, the Court does not intend to spend a great deal more judicial time than it already has spent in hashing over with Plaintiffs and their counsel the matter of whether under the circumstances of this case non-residents of Illinois are entitled to maintain claims under the ICFA. Parties aggrieved by the Court’s rulings always have the option of seeking review of those rulings in a higher court at an appropriate time. So long as they are in this Court, however, litigants and their counsel do well not to treat the Court’s rulings “as mere first drafts, subject to revision and reconsideration at a litigant’s pleasure[.]”

Remember, this isn’t a journalist, a blogger, or an anonymous poster we know only as a screen name. This court filing and it’s view is indeed valid. When it comes to actual law surrounding the allegations and claims regarding YTB, we now have something we as a company can use to combat the very small but obnoxiously loud cult of critics. They desperately want to see an end to YTB based on their illusions and will gravitate and attach to any other illusion similar, regardless of any verification of fact or documentation.

Personally, I find the document filed by the Court pure poetry. It’s refreshing and energizing to see someone with this level of expertise and stature validate what I’ve been saying about critics for years. A very valuable score in the pursuit of truth, enlightenment, and justice.

To the Honorable G. Patrick Murphy:

With all the sincerity, gratitude, and humility I can find, I want to thank you for your swift and decisive response concerning the recent ill-founded amendment filed in your Court. Thank you for protecting my business and thousands of others who not only appreciate YTB for what it truly is, but admire and respect the Founders who have created it.

In addition thank you for exposing the outrageous claims for what they truly are. Ill-conceived, and defective perceptions regarding a company and model that has withstood the test of time.

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