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		<title>By: This Is Embarassing&#8230; &#124; Just Picture It Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Is Embarassing&#8230; &#124; Just Picture It Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What&#8217;s even more mind blowing is their claims and position hasn&#8217;t changed a single bit. The latest filing is almost verbatim of the first suit file two years ago. It&#8217;s the same bogus myths and pyramid scheme mantra with the same cast of characters. What happened to words like “failed”, “corrected”, “deficiency”, “amending”, “incorrectly”, and “realized ...? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What&#8217;s even more mind blowing is their claims and position hasn&#8217;t changed a single bit. The latest filing is almost verbatim of the first suit file two years ago. It&#8217;s the same bogus myths and pyramid scheme mantra with the same cast of characters. What happened to words like “failed”, “corrected”, “deficiency”, “amending”, “incorrectly”, and “realized &#8230;? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: YTB Class Action Denied &#8211; AGAIN! &#124; Just Picture It Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>YTB Class Action Denied &#8211; AGAIN! &#124; Just Picture It Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 11:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While critics labeled the complaint &#8220;powerful&#8221; I had my own views on the subject and outlined how the Plaintiffs in this case were just as clueless as the critics who have been plastering &#8220;pyramid scheme&#8221; all over the internet for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While critics labeled the complaint &#8220;powerful&#8221; I had my own views on the subject and outlined how the Plaintiffs in this case were just as clueless as the critics who have been plastering &#8220;pyramid scheme&#8221; all over the internet for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amended Class Action Against YTB Thrown Out &#124; Just Picture It Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amended Class Action Against YTB Thrown Out &#124; Just Picture It Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On Friday, I wrote about an absolutely ridiculous amended complaint filed by a group of &#8220;ambulance chasers&#8221; looking to score a quick buck. Outrageous [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On Friday, I wrote about an absolutely ridiculous amended complaint filed by a group of &#8220;ambulance chasers&#8221; looking to score a quick buck. Outrageous [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TravelPro</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravelPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! 

&quot;Rhetoric&quot; is a very interesting word coming from you. 

Especially in light of the ungainly monster of 39 pages containing 133 paragraphs which was filed last week. 

Please don&#039;t bother me or needlessly take my attention from current matters to visit your blathering in an attempt to defend your position again and again.

Let&#039;s just see how this all works out to see who is right and who is wrong here. 

Deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! </p>
<p>&#8220;Rhetoric&#8221; is a very interesting word coming from you. </p>
<p>Especially in light of the ungainly monster of 39 pages containing 133 paragraphs which was filed last week. </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t bother me or needlessly take my attention from current matters to visit your blathering in an attempt to defend your position again and again.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just see how this all works out to see who is right and who is wrong here. </p>
<p>Deal?</p>
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		<title>By: jfrenaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfrenaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug--the words were not twisted. They were copied and pasted from your own post, so I am not sure what you are talking about. 

If you look back, I am pretty sure I never said California would put YTB out of business. I always knew it would put a whammy on YTB and it indeed did. How do you explain the still continuing drop of RTAs and Reps.  Please none of the &quot;they didn&#039;t work the business&quot; rhetoric. Did California have the potential to put YTB under? Sure, and to be honest, I did think the agreement would have been stronger and more likely been so restrictive that YTB would have chosen to exit the California market.  But hey, it is what it is and now YTB is calling it a win because it cost them several million dollars and a million dollar fine to learn how to operate legally in California.  We will see how the courts rule on Lisa Madigan and the Class Action suits. And the others that will be likely coming down the line.

I am sorry for your inability to read. As I made a correction to the phone entry.  If this:
UPDATE:
To all valued members of YTB:
The YTB phone system
is temporarily down. Our provider is working to restore their service as soon as possible. We apologize for any inconvenience.

Thank you.

YTB Home Office

was not clear enough for you to comprehend, I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug&#8211;the words were not twisted. They were copied and pasted from your own post, so I am not sure what you are talking about. </p>
<p>If you look back, I am pretty sure I never said California would put YTB out of business. I always knew it would put a whammy on YTB and it indeed did. How do you explain the still continuing drop of RTAs and Reps.  Please none of the &#8220;they didn&#8217;t work the business&#8221; rhetoric. Did California have the potential to put YTB under? Sure, and to be honest, I did think the agreement would have been stronger and more likely been so restrictive that YTB would have chosen to exit the California market.  But hey, it is what it is and now YTB is calling it a win because it cost them several million dollars and a million dollar fine to learn how to operate legally in California.  We will see how the courts rule on Lisa Madigan and the Class Action suits. And the others that will be likely coming down the line.</p>
<p>I am sorry for your inability to read. As I made a correction to the phone entry.  If this:<br />
UPDATE:<br />
To all valued members of YTB:<br />
The YTB phone system<br />
is temporarily down. Our provider is working to restore their service as soon as possible. We apologize for any inconvenience.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>YTB Home Office</p>
<p>was not clear enough for you to comprehend, I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: TravelDeals</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravelDeals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the part about being compared to Bernie Madoff. Those people lost tens of thousands, some millions! 

Those in YTB lost because they quit. I mean how hard is it to find someone once per quarter to break even? It&#039;s not that hard to break even in this business if you open your mouth and tell someone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the part about being compared to Bernie Madoff. Those people lost tens of thousands, some millions! </p>
<p>Those in YTB lost because they quit. I mean how hard is it to find someone once per quarter to break even? It&#8217;s not that hard to break even in this business if you open your mouth and tell someone.</p>
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		<title>By: TravelPro</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravelPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I have to be honest. I find it fascinating how you can rearrange word&#039;s and switch them around turning someone&#039;s original comments into something completely different. 

It&#039;s a real gift.

But I have to ask, if these &quot;quoted&quot; words are merely inserted by you and not found in California&#039;s original suit or settlement, how does it have any bearing? Does it make you feel better? Does it turn your illusion into a reality? Do you think someone would actually believe it? 

I mean...why do it when everyone knows that it&#039;s created as a poor attempt to try and turn the tables and deflect things back on YTB?

While my article talks about YTB John, it&#039;s not about YTB, but about the legal process that is now holding everyone, including you to a certain degree, accountable. You were quite adamant about the power California had in shutting our company down for being a &quot;gigantic pyramid scheme&quot; right?

How did that work out for you and the rest of the gang? Do you consider it successful now that it&#039;s all over? Has your mission of ridding your industry of Travel MLM&#039;s been accomplished? (Or at least YTB?)

I do have a warm fuzzy and have enjoyed how our legal system is making everyone cross their T’s and dot it’s I’s. Like the California legal process, the process in Illinois not only points out but apparently knows what the law is. While neither claim filed in each state enjoys the same luxury you have here on the internet, I know that their claims, unlike you, are being held accountable to prove the accusations made in regard to actual law.

We finally found a system and process that knows how to read, comprehend, and logically work through things in order to set the record straight.

While it’s taking some time, and we have to endure you’re idiosyncrasies with words, phobias, and obsession with YTB, much has already been brought to light to show the truth.


It really does give me a warm fuzzy to see that illusions you and others have are being called out and corrected. 

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;On another note, and not that I was really expecting you to correct this...&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/strong&gt;
I noticed you never updated that our phone system was back up after the system failure we had on Thursday. If you forgot, it&#039;s the 2nd of three posts you did on Thursday about YTB.

I also noticed that you and the others still don&#039;t know the difference between an Associate and Web Site Seller and how that ties into the separate compensation for our RTA&#039;s. 

I know this is a stretch, but maybe you could take a page out of what California and Illinois have learned and actually start discussing this like an adult by admitting that you might not be the one who is always right.

But that&#039;s just me.

PS - Cool upgrades huh? I was actually shocked to see these along with my pass for Convention in the mail. I was told Convention would never happen, and we&#039;d never make it a year. But we&#039;ll see who&#039;s right in 10 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I have to be honest. I find it fascinating how you can rearrange word&#8217;s and switch them around turning someone&#8217;s original comments into something completely different. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a real gift.</p>
<p>But I have to ask, if these &#8220;quoted&#8221; words are merely inserted by you and not found in California&#8217;s original suit or settlement, how does it have any bearing? Does it make you feel better? Does it turn your illusion into a reality? Do you think someone would actually believe it? </p>
<p>I mean&#8230;why do it when everyone knows that it&#8217;s created as a poor attempt to try and turn the tables and deflect things back on YTB?</p>
<p>While my article talks about YTB John, it&#8217;s not about YTB, but about the legal process that is now holding everyone, including you to a certain degree, accountable. You were quite adamant about the power California had in shutting our company down for being a &#8220;gigantic pyramid scheme&#8221; right?</p>
<p>How did that work out for you and the rest of the gang? Do you consider it successful now that it&#8217;s all over? Has your mission of ridding your industry of Travel MLM&#8217;s been accomplished? (Or at least YTB?)</p>
<p>I do have a warm fuzzy and have enjoyed how our legal system is making everyone cross their T’s and dot it’s I’s. Like the California legal process, the process in Illinois not only points out but apparently knows what the law is. While neither claim filed in each state enjoys the same luxury you have here on the internet, I know that their claims, unlike you, are being held accountable to prove the accusations made in regard to actual law.</p>
<p>We finally found a system and process that knows how to read, comprehend, and logically work through things in order to set the record straight.</p>
<p>While it’s taking some time, and we have to endure you’re idiosyncrasies with words, phobias, and obsession with YTB, much has already been brought to light to show the truth.</p>
<p>It really does give me a warm fuzzy to see that illusions you and others have are being called out and corrected. </p>
<p><strong><em>On another note, and not that I was really expecting you to correct this&#8230;</em><br />
</strong><br />
I noticed you never updated that our phone system was back up after the system failure we had on Thursday. If you forgot, it&#8217;s the 2nd of three posts you did on Thursday about YTB.</p>
<p>I also noticed that you and the others still don&#8217;t know the difference between an Associate and Web Site Seller and how that ties into the separate compensation for our RTA&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I know this is a stretch, but maybe you could take a page out of what California and Illinois have learned and actually start discussing this like an adult by admitting that you might not be the one who is always right.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Cool upgrades huh? I was actually shocked to see these along with my pass for Convention in the mail. I was told Convention would never happen, and we&#8217;d never make it a year. But we&#8217;ll see who&#8217;s right in 10 days.</p>
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		<title>By: jfrenaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>jfrenaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Do words like “failed”, “corrected”, “deficiency”, “amending”, “incorrectly”, and “realized after 100 hours of arguing”, give you a warm fuzzy concerning the counsel that is representing this group?&lt;/strong&gt;
Words like YTB &quot;failed&quot; to adhere to the laws of California and &quot;corrected&quot; their &quot;deficiency&quot; by &quot;amending&quot; the manner in which they promote the company because they &quot;incorrectly&quot; &quot;realized after a $1 million dollar fine&quot; that they were in trouble. Do those words give you the warm and fuzzies?

Yes the announcements sound exciting. I wonder how they will be received.  Some of them are good, and others are risky.  I assume you are talking about:
$99/monthly payment plan for those unable to afford the $500 to buy in
10% performance bonus for Coach&#039;s Corner members
$2000 guaranteed salary + insurance for directors starting with as few as 75 TSOs
That wonderful Vegas package for $99
And paying all TSOs a commission every time their site quotes a package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Do words like “failed”, “corrected”, “deficiency”, “amending”, “incorrectly”, and “realized after 100 hours of arguing”, give you a warm fuzzy concerning the counsel that is representing this group?</strong><br />
Words like YTB &#8220;failed&#8221; to adhere to the laws of California and &#8220;corrected&#8221; their &#8220;deficiency&#8221; by &#8220;amending&#8221; the manner in which they promote the company because they &#8220;incorrectly&#8221; &#8220;realized after a $1 million dollar fine&#8221; that they were in trouble. Do those words give you the warm and fuzzies?</p>
<p>Yes the announcements sound exciting. I wonder how they will be received.  Some of them are good, and others are risky.  I assume you are talking about:<br />
$99/monthly payment plan for those unable to afford the $500 to buy in<br />
10% performance bonus for Coach&#8217;s Corner members<br />
$2000 guaranteed salary + insurance for directors starting with as few as 75 TSOs<br />
That wonderful Vegas package for $99<br />
And paying all TSOs a commission every time their site quotes a package.</p>
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		<title>By: TravelPro</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravelPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any business that&#039;s worth anything ruffles some feathers and gets attacked. Amway, AL Williams, Wal-Mart, Microsoft...

Most laughed at them too, and told them they&#039;d never make it. 

I was on a call this morning that gave me a heads up at what will be announced and implemented at Convention. When implemented, it should be a very strong sign to our critics that YTB isn&#039;t backing down and moving forward. 

I can assure you that those that have stayed the course will be glad they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any business that&#8217;s worth anything ruffles some feathers and gets attacked. Amway, AL Williams, Wal-Mart, Microsoft&#8230;</p>
<p>Most laughed at them too, and told them they&#8217;d never make it. </p>
<p>I was on a call this morning that gave me a heads up at what will be announced and implemented at Convention. When implemented, it should be a very strong sign to our critics that YTB isn&#8217;t backing down and moving forward. </p>
<p>I can assure you that those that have stayed the course will be glad they did.</p>
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		<title>By: born2fly</title>
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		<dc:creator>born2fly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Like several people I am proud of your work to stay factual about YTB.  I consider myself adult enough to dig and find the truth like you do.  I was part of Amway back in the growing days of the early &#039;90s and all their legal challenges.  Amway corporate did exactly what YTB corporate is doing and stayed focused on their overall goal and not the negative jealous naysayers.  The rest is history.  I just watched the NBA Playoffs last month in the &quot;Amway Collosium&quot;.  YTB and their current reps are dedicated to the big picture and YTB will come out on top.  Again, the truth will always be.  I stand with you and all the current reps!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Like several people I am proud of your work to stay factual about YTB.  I consider myself adult enough to dig and find the truth like you do.  I was part of Amway back in the growing days of the early &#8217;90s and all their legal challenges.  Amway corporate did exactly what YTB corporate is doing and stayed focused on their overall goal and not the negative jealous naysayers.  The rest is history.  I just watched the NBA Playoffs last month in the &#8220;Amway Collosium&#8221;.  YTB and their current reps are dedicated to the big picture and YTB will come out on top.  Again, the truth will always be.  I stand with you and all the current reps!!</p>
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