Although I have not checked, from past experience John does make regular visits to this blog several times a day.

I wouldn’t look for a response however. When he’s been shown errors here in the past, he lays low for a couple of weeks before attempting to post again.

Has JWF been back to see how wrong he was? Since he hasn’t commented I’m wondering if he’s ignoring you or simply hasn’t seen your response.

And right back at you. ;-P

They really do know how to pile on the horse dung don’t they?

I attempted to do what you did for months, it was even civil for a time. But just as soon as I started to call them on a couple of facts, the game changed and I was cast off as a “dumb ass”, “duffas”, and I think “impotent” was mentioned a couple of times.

Just remember it’s not about truth for them, but others who read do care about what’s right. They may not say it, they may not even appear to be there, but they are reading and a good solid line of clear, logical, documented facts can overcome the name calling and yelling that goes on over in that Adult Day Care.

And FYI – A good set of hip waiters and a cloths pin attached to ones nose should keep you in the game a little longer. ;-P

If you look at the Can Spam Act, we clearly cover all the bases there. The “Act” itself does not address the inputting of e-mails manually into a system like they are describing on John’s blog. That hurdle points to the ISP not the Can Spam Act.

Steals and Deals is very simple, and straight forward, but only if you know how the Steals and Deals or a mass mailing service like Aweber works. (The system I use for my newsletter.)

First, Steals and Deals requires what is known as a “double opt-in”. I can enter all the names and e-mail addresses I want, but the recipient(s) I input from my list need to verify with a click on a link on THEIR end before they are approved into the system and sent weekly mailings. If the end user does not verify, no further communication is sent from YTB on my behalf. If they complain they end up sending the actual request to solicit. If they opt-in, and then complain we have the unsubscribe, physical address, originating domain name and email address. (Along with a log of the original opt in link.)

This is a standard practice with any mailing list who keeps up to date with the both Can Spam and what ISP’s require in order to pass through their systems. With a mailing list as large as YTB’s (even those 1/4 of the size) they are dead without this type of verification process. It would trigger far to many complaints and the ISP’s would ban the sender. We wouldn’t be able to market to anyone attached to that ISP. (AOL, Comcast, Yahoo, Gmail, Bellsouth, MSN, etc.)

Second, Steals and Deals are sent with your unique “code” embedded so you get the credit for the sale. (User ID or TSO number) YTB could continue to market on the behalf of an inactive TSO to make sales, but unless your travel site is active, all those links are dead.

Thus the REAL reason for turning the sites back on. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s simply a way to tell everyone that despite what they may have heard about YTB, we’re alive and kickin.

I am one of the “Associates” who doesn’t want to recruit either and got into YTB to sell travel and take advantage of a what a home based business offers.

One more question if you could?

What’s the real story behind the Steals and Deals, the Can Spam, and if YTB owns the customer?

I hate asking all these questions but there seems to be some confusion about this issue as well.

Thanks for your help!

The short answer is because they don’t qualify as “Website Sellers” under that new settlement requirements. In order to qualify as a “Website Seller” you need to have 3 Website Owners under you.

Until you meet those qualifications you are an Associate and are not an active participant in the recruiting aspect of our company. You can remain an Associate for as long as you like, but will only receive a $50 referral fee until you upgrade to Website Seller.

I have focused the majority of my time and effort talking to people about the travel side of our business. Therefore I have attracted others who are also interested in selling travel. A number of my team members have told me point blank, “I’m in this to sell travel and will not be recruiting.” Two of my team members told me flat out that if I asked them to recruit anyone they would quit. Because it’s their business, I’ve respected their wishes.

The overwhelming majority of participants in our company wish to sell travel only, not recruit.

Because critics have this illusion that everyone gets into YTB so they can recruit is simply a figment of their overactive imagination. Both the 2007 and 2008 Income Disclosure Statements document that a large portion (80% in 2007 and 89% in 2008) of our company does not recruit a single soul. Yet critics are certain that everyone in the company is in this to make big bucks recruiting the world because that’s what they’ve been told.

Maybe you answer this for me.

Why are these former Reps now called Associates?

That’s an excellent observation. The push from the TTA’s is to get us to dump YTB and join what they consider a “legitimate host”.

John;

To stalk means to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner.

Many victims of stalkers know who their stalker is, so I’m not sure how being open about your active participation changes things. You have been very consistent over the years and don’t have any boundaries in areas you either don’t belong or are unwanted.

You’ve become a Rep, you’ve joined YTB Forums, you’ve attended meetings, you have access to my newsletter, and are now a fan of Coach. If it has anything to do with YTB, you manage to find a way to be a part of it.

What the hell for?

What it boils down to John is motive. You have no desire to be a part of YTB other than blathering your own opinions and perceptions about what you think YTB is doing or not doing with your self proclaimed expert opinion, which has damaged your credibility and reputation.

I would like to thank you for your comment however. It has clarified that you choose once again to either ignore, (or simply can not comprehend) what you are reading.

188,538 of the 209,545 (89%) do not qualify as “Website Sellers” and are clearly marked as “Associates”. None of the 188,538 qualify as both Website Seller and Website Owner under the settlement agreement. Only 11% of the 209,545 could be both Website Sellers and Website Owners.

Sorry.

Like Coach’s “travel overrides”, the stock options, $6 million in losses, the CLIA loophole, Jerry’s ability to shut YTB down, the ex parte application filed by Toma, the tentative agreement, and countless other errors in judgment or comprehension have shown your ignorance not expert analysis.

But all we hear from you is…”I don’t recall anyone ever pointing out that I’ve been wrong before.”

Why anyone even reads your take any longer is an oddity I’m afraid will never be answered.

You’ll keep up with the charade of arrogance and expert opinion until your last dying breath John, because you’re unwilling to admit any error in the almighty John W. Frenaye.

Best of luck with that.