How Low Can You Go…
I enjoy Trade Publications. I subscribe to a variety of publications in both electronic form and in traditional print. I’ve always enjoyed reading and learning about the industry, and have promoted learning as much as you can about any subject that interests you. There has never been a time in our history when so many mediums are available for someone to learn and develop a skill or a trade.
I’ve enjoyed the way suppliers and trade associations have embraced training, enabling me to learn about the industry. From seminars and webinars; from a training call or port of call via ship inspections, the variety of ways to learn and develop in this industry is abundant.
I’ve seen many changes within the industry over the last several years when it comes to doling out credentials in the industry. I’ve also supported the upgrading of requirements for FAM eligibility from both suppliers and associations.
One thing that hasn’t changed much are the Travel Agents who think they “own” the industry.
I was walking home with the kids and my neighbor on Thursday and we stopped in the culdesac to chat a bit longer. While talking, I opened up my mailbox to get the mail with my monthly issue of Travel Agent Magazine in the mix. I typically look forward to each and every publication and wanted to see this months “cover”. When I saw the cover, I smirked, shook my head and commented “Good grief”.
My neighbor who was standing in front of her mailbox ask me what the comment was for, and I held up the front of the publication to show her. She asked “What’s that all about?” and I simply commented that the man in the mask…is supposed to depict someone like me.
She laughed and asked “That’s suppose to be YOU?!” and I responded, “No, not me specifically, but someone like me because of the company I work with.”
I told her of the issues Travel Agents have had for years concerning “card mills” and downright phobias regarding MLM’s and what we have presumably done to disgrace, embarrass, and ruin their reputations as “Professionals”. You wanna know her reaction?
“And that’s their answer?”
Yep, afraid so. I went on to tell her about forums and blogs these “Professionals” hang out on to discuss all the wrongs, all the injustice, all the problems they can think of on a daily basis. How at one time I had befriended some of them, and because I’m not willing to change host agencies or simply get out all together, I’m now an outcast and seen as the man in the mask. (And then some.)
“How does that make you feel?” she asked. I thought about it, for say… a nanosecond, and replied with “How’s it suppose to make me feel?” I went on to ask a couple of more questions, like how someone I don’t even know, or more importantly doesn’t know me, should own any feelings one way or the other? I asked if she see’s any connection to me and the man in the mask. Do I look and act like that to her?
She thought that was a strange question based on the look on her face, because we happen not only to be neighbors, but friends. To think an article or even this cover will cancel out years of friendship does sound a bit over the top. I’ve heard that if you join and MLM that you can kiss your family and friends goodbye, because you have to hound them about joining the MLM you’re involved in, (any MLM) and they eventually get fed up with the constant badgering and eventually disown you.
It’s been over 4 years now, and I’m still waiting for THAT shoe to drop.
It’s not that I haven’t heard story after story about MLM’s destroying friendships and families. There are those who can’t fathom being unemotional or unattached to an attack like what’s depicted in the picture. Family especially, would want to protect those they are closest too from being “stained” in this way. I might be the same way when I was far less secure about my own abilities and worth.
But I have to wonder, why after all this time, all this energy, all the “talk” about how bad things are, just why a professional publication would even think that an article like this is a good idea. What some in our industry have categorized as “card mills” have been around for over a decade now, and the industry is only a small fraction closer to resolving this so called problem and embarrassment than they were back then.
There have been suppliers, (who by the way are the ones who grant these FAM’s and perks not the Agents or Associations) who have taken a stand in some form or fashion. Sandals for example, was one of the first I can think of who would provide a complimentary night or nights based on production. Doesn’t really matter which host you’re associated with; if you produce, you’re rewarded. The concept isn’t much different from a frequent flier program, which provides anyone who supports a particular airline is granted perks like free airfare. It’s also why I like the Carnival requirements that came out a year ago January. A minimum of 5 full paying cabins (double occupancy) are required, BEFORE you’ll be considered to partake in a FAM with them.
But for some reason, that’s not good enough for some, as you can clearly see in the comments section of the digital format of this cover story. There are those who simply can’t get over their own hang ups about “their” industry to see that someone is there on a FAM because they earned it. We’re participating in an industry seminar with them because we have a desire to learn. We join in on a summit because we want to expand our knowledge.
Instead, they snub their nose at the supplier because they welcome anyone who produces, regardless of what Host Agency, or so called “card mill” they may be associated with, as if the supplier would even care who they consider “worthy”.
We’ve run into the same problem most recently with Debbie Maier and Mailpound. Ms. Maier took the time to come to a Red Carpet Event to roll out a new private labeled e-marketing site for YTB to help our company promote and sell more travel to our clients. While the site does have a listing of FAM’s associated with it, the main purpose of this site is to enable Travel Agents to send out promotional e-mails and marketing materials to clients to actually sell travel. When she came to the Home Office she was, and I quote, “completely – blown – away” over the passion YTB has for this industry.
And because she now provides this service to YTB, and has seen first hand that YTB is a real travel company, she and her company have now been black listed. There are “Professionals” who are not only promoting that other agents send her an e-mail that “they know” who she’s working with, but if any of the e-mails or comments are like the ones I’ve seen…she’ll need to shower after being vomited on by this outspoken and obnoxious group of “legitimate agents”.
That’s the game plan, to make life as uncomfortable as possible in the hope that they just throw in the towel because the backlash isn’t worth it.
Based on a webinar that I know happened last week, there may be more of this kind of tactic coming from this group. The same day YTB was promoting Princess Cruises, (a Sail-A-Thon to sell full fair cabins, not FAMS) another group was planning how to get more of these types of “cover stories” out there to media outlets to warn the public about the masked men and women who are involved in what they’ve deemed to be undesirable Host Agencies. I know that these Associations are the be all and end all for some, and there have been Agencies associated with many of them to add credibility. (We saw how well that worked out, didn’t we?)
While I was invited to this little gathering with these very prominent and important people and associations in the industry, I declined the offer. I asked the question of how this type of behavior would make me a better person, a better Travel Agent, and a better Leader, but like most of the questions I ask, they were left unanswered. (Ignored was more like it.)
They are welcome to do what they do, and I’ll do what I do. That’s promoting a rebroadcast of the Princess Sail-A-Thon this afternoon at 4:00 pm Eastern to sell more cruises. It’s far more productive, supports the hand that feeds me, (and them) and helps bring the truth to light.
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April 2nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
So, let me get this straight, you see a cover of a magazine and it has a hooded man and the title BOGUS AGENTS. If you are the Travel Pro that you claim, why on earth would you “smirk” and say that the man on the cover was supposed to depict you?
I don’t get it. There was a picture of a rapist on the front page of my local paper last week. I didn’t smirk and think it was about me. I saw a picture of a Wall Street swindler on the cover of the New Yorker and I did not smirk and think it was about me.
If you are a travel professional Doug, there is not a reason to smirk at all. What should have happened is you should have told the neighbor that there is a small segment of the industry that is harming the overall reputation.
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
John,
I’m afraid that like other questions I ask of you, this too will be ignored.
If it’s such a “small segment”, why all the fuss and obsession over it? You in particular have a real fascination with this particular segment, and it appears to consume you to a degree that there really isn’t much time for anything else.
Why is that?
And in case your wondering, the other questions asked that you conveniently ignored were if you understood finally what Coach was getting overrides on, and two, how this little mud slinging game you’re playing will help the industry be more professional, better agents, and better leaders.
I know you like to be in the drivers seat, and forbid anyone questioning you on anything you say or post, but it’s my blog, and if you want to have a discussion about the industry, it’s nice to have some feedback of questions asked.
Or are they too difficult to answer?
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 am
Not at all Doug. MLM is indeed a small segment but it does concern me. If the doctor told you that you had pancreatic cancer would you be concerned? After all the pancreas is really only a small segment of your body. But you know what, cancers can spread and as I have been proving in the blog for 18 months now, MLMs and travel are indeed a bad mix. I am glad you feel that you know how much time my “obsession” takes. I think you might be surprised if you had any desire to listen to anything other than what you were told to listen to.
Contrary to your beliefs, I am not on your blog all the time. Sorry to disappoint. But I did just go back and it does say that Coach gets the overrides on the rep end. However, I am pretty sure that his employment agreement from last year (or maybe it was 2006) indicated that travel overrides were 100% his.
I do not look at this as a game. I have a strong conviction that what YTB, Traverus, GTI, ProTravel etc. are doing are bad news for consumers and the industry. I am certainly not alone as is evidenced by the cover of the magazine you referenced in your post, so please don’t allude that this is some Quixote-ish quest by one person–it most certainly is not. And if I can help get the message out to the consumers and the trade and allow them to draw their own conclusions based on my arguments and positions–that’s a good thing. Everyone has the ability to decide for themselves–RCCL, NCL, Perillo, Qantas, IATAN, and others have made a decision to distance themselves from YTB. MailPound certainly is doing their best now as well. It seems that since August 46,000 of your RTAs also made the same decision. And let’s not forget about the Directors who are also leaving. But as I said, people can make their own decisions and draw their own conclusions. I am not forcing mine on anyone!
It is amusing to me that you say I don’t like people to question me. I encourage it Doug. Every day there are comments on the blog and emails sent to me and I engage in discussion. I even said some good things about MLM at the Webinar I was invited to participate in last week. But since you do not want to hear anything other than what is spoon fed to you , I suppose you were not online. If you want discourse (if you agree with it or not)you can come to my blog. If you want to be banned for your opinions and have your messages edited, feel free to come here!
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
John;
Never had any illusion that you spend all your time here. In fact with all the posts I see on scam.com, Yahoo Finance, your own blog, Travel forums, and any other article that relates to YTB, (which are many) I’d venture to say that the time you spend here is minimal at best. Only so many hours in the day, and far to many sites, both Pro and Con, to spew about YTB all day long.
As far as Coach’s travel overrides, document it. What you believed to be true this year, was shown to be inaccurate, so why should I (or anyone) take your word from years past? Please, save it, unless you can document it. I have no interest in what you think you can recall or believe.
I’m embarrassed and appalled that you and your Professionals feel the need to attack and malign MailPound the way you have. They made a decision to work with YTB, and now you and your gang of thugs have turned this around on them, making them to be the bad guys, when all they wanted to do was build business. (Travel business no less.) They are an asset to this industry, and to drag them through the mud like you have, with three posts about big bad MailPound and how wrong they are for helping YTB shows just how shallow, bitter, and fearful you really are.
Actions speak far louder than words in this case, so don’t try to justify it. It sickens me that you feel justified because of your obsession.
Which brings me to this notion of yours that you don’t force yourself on anyone.
Dude, what planet do you think I live on to believe that massive black hole? Anyone who disagrees with your point of view is absolutely pounded into submission. No one disagrees with the Almighty John W. Frenaye. His word is the last and damn those who don’t agree or won’t submit to your beliefs. If they do, the are posted up on that joke of a blog, so you and the other children can throw sand in the eyes of anyone with a different view or opinion.
I leave my views and opinions right here John. You don’t see me, or hear from me anywhere else, do you? That’s because I know I’m right and don’t need to defend and justify the way you do day after day.
If plastering your beliefs all over the internet is your solution, if that’s the best you can do, your not half the man you think you are. Nor do you have the conviction you think you do.
Go drink some more Kool-aid, and make sure it’s spiked just the way you like it. It’s the only way you can keep these illusions of yours right where they need to be.