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		<title>By: YTB Posts 1st Quarter Financials &#124; Deering Dream Team</title>
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		<dc:creator>YTB Posts 1st Quarter Financials &#124; Deering Dream Team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] make it through these difficult economic times. We’ve already seen a number of agencies such as Joystar and Cruise Value Center bite the dust. Suppliers like Happy Vacations have closed their doors as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: YTB Posts 1st Quarter Financials</title>
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		<dc:creator>YTB Posts 1st Quarter Financials</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] make it through these difficult economic times. We’ve already seen a number of agencies such as Joystar and Cruise Value Center bite the dust. Suppliers like Happy Vacations have closed their doors as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All Eyes On YTB</title>
		<link>http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2009/01/27/stealing-my-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>All Eyes On YTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the hope that this will be enough to keep those still around alive. Unfortunately it was to little too late for Joystar, and Cruise Value Centers, while a report late last weekend documented that Liberty Travel closed 4 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the hope that this will be enough to keep those still around alive. Unfortunately it was to little too late for Joystar, and Cruise Value Centers, while a report late last weekend documented that Liberty Travel closed 4 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: All Eyes On YTB (a must read for you and your team!!)</title>
		<link>http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2009/01/27/stealing-my-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>All Eyes On YTB (a must read for you and your team!!)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the hope that this will be enough to keep those still around alive. Unfortunately it was to little too late for Joystar, and Cruise Value Centers, while a report late last weekend documented that Liberty Travel closed 4 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All Eyes On YTB - A Great YTB Article &#171; YTB The Truth about YTB Travel</title>
		<link>http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2009/01/27/stealing-my-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>All Eyes On YTB - A Great YTB Article &#171; YTB The Truth about YTB Travel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the hope that this will be enough to keep those still around alive. Unfortunately it was to little too late for Joystar, and Cruise Value Centers, while a report late last weekend documented that Liberty Travel closed 4 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All Eyes On YTB &#171; YTB Blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2009/01/27/stealing-my-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>All Eyes On YTB &#171; YTB Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the hope that this will be enough to keep those still around alive. Unfortunately it was to little too late for Joystar, and Cruise Value Centers, while a report late last weekend documented that Liberty Travel closed 4 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TravelPro</title>
		<link>http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2009/01/27/stealing-my-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>TravelPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John;

If you don’t like what I have to say, then why to you come back? If it were me, I simply wouldn’t participate on a forum or message board where I felt unjustly attacked and ridiculed for no reason. You may have noticed that I reserve my opinions and position about the industry to this blog. I don’t care to participate where I am not wanted, and it suits me fine. If you agree with me and like what I have to say, subscribe to the RSS feed, and RTA&#039;s can subscribe to my Newsletter. 

Otherwise, don&#039;t read or participate. 

You on the other hand enjoy trolling the internet all morning like you do every day. As of this morning you have posted several times on your blog, scam.com, TravelPulse, Travel Weekly Forums, Yahoo Finance, and now here. How you earn a living from doing that is a question I fear will never be answered. 

As for being a “self proclaimed expert” I would suggest that you retract your article on TRO, and remove the link on you blog which states: “If you are a member of the media and would like to contact this blogger, please click here.” Both the article and that hideous blog are dedicated to the topic of MLM’s and not your business of trolling the internet. 

As far as NCL goes, looks as if you’re not as well connected as you might think. Been waiting to see when or if you would catch on, and based on the fact that a true media outlet released the information, keeping you in the dark for more than a week is amusing.

The YTB release you found this morning was in my in-box on the 21st.

As far as my feelings about NCL, don’t put words in my mouth, as I am capable of communicating effectively on my own thank you.  

If you had a choice to sell Carnival, Disney, or Princess at one level, or sell NCL at 40% less, who would you try to book? NCL has never supported YTB the way Carnival, Disney, MSC, Regent, Globus, Trafalgar, and other preferred suppliers do. Sorry to see them make the choice they did, but it happens in this industry. RCCL dropped commission on YOU last year unless you upped your bookings. It’s part of the industry and from what I understand, both parties (YTB and NCL) agreed that it was not a relationship either wanted to pursue or cultivate. 

So…in so many words…”Thanks for sharing”.

PS – Don’t you mean “sour sauce”?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John;</p>
<p>If you don’t like what I have to say, then why to you come back? If it were me, I simply wouldn’t participate on a forum or message board where I felt unjustly attacked and ridiculed for no reason. You may have noticed that I reserve my opinions and position about the industry to this blog. I don’t care to participate where I am not wanted, and it suits me fine. If you agree with me and like what I have to say, subscribe to the RSS feed, and RTA&#8217;s can subscribe to my Newsletter. </p>
<p>Otherwise, don&#8217;t read or participate. </p>
<p>You on the other hand enjoy trolling the internet all morning like you do every day. As of this morning you have posted several times on your blog, scam.com, TravelPulse, Travel Weekly Forums, Yahoo Finance, and now here. How you earn a living from doing that is a question I fear will never be answered. </p>
<p>As for being a “self proclaimed expert” I would suggest that you retract your article on TRO, and remove the link on you blog which states: “If you are a member of the media and would like to contact this blogger, please click here.” Both the article and that hideous blog are dedicated to the topic of MLM’s and not your business of trolling the internet. </p>
<p>As far as NCL goes, looks as if you’re not as well connected as you might think. Been waiting to see when or if you would catch on, and based on the fact that a true media outlet released the information, keeping you in the dark for more than a week is amusing.</p>
<p>The YTB release you found this morning was in my in-box on the 21st.</p>
<p>As far as my feelings about NCL, don’t put words in my mouth, as I am capable of communicating effectively on my own thank you.  </p>
<p>If you had a choice to sell Carnival, Disney, or Princess at one level, or sell NCL at 40% less, who would you try to book? NCL has never supported YTB the way Carnival, Disney, MSC, Regent, Globus, Trafalgar, and other preferred suppliers do. Sorry to see them make the choice they did, but it happens in this industry. RCCL dropped commission on YOU last year unless you upped your bookings. It’s part of the industry and from what I understand, both parties (YTB and NCL) agreed that it was not a relationship either wanted to pursue or cultivate. </p>
<p>So…in so many words…”Thanks for sharing”.</p>
<p>PS – Don’t you mean “sour sauce”?</p>
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		<title>By: jfrenaye</title>
		<link>http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2009/01/27/stealing-my-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>jfrenaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really need to look into your &quot;issues&quot; Doug. It is amazing that when you are confronted with a reasonable discussion you immediately turn it around into an attack of sorts.   And when proven wrong, your standard comment is &quot;thanks for sharing&quot;.

I never professed to be an expert except in my own travel business. I do have an opinion for sure and if others share that opinion, well, that is not my fault. After all you have plenty that share yours--do you not?

And speaking of opinions, I already stated mine, but what are your thoughts on the NCL termination? Do you not need NCL any longer? Is Andy Stuart now going to be making beds with Lisa Bauer? Will you organize the &quot;World&#039;s Largest Gift Certificate Sale&quot; to show them who&#039;s boss?

Could it be that my sources a few months ago were correct in that a MAJOR player was preparing to drop YTB. Granted, I guessed wrong at the vendor. But, I do have a suspicion that there are some more to follow in NCL&#039;s footprints and that there may even be a vendor I named that extensively modified your agreement.

What is your opinion on those items. I am always looking for the opinion from a &quot;TravelPro&quot;.

John

PS..which aisle would I find the soy sauce?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really need to look into your &#8220;issues&#8221; Doug. It is amazing that when you are confronted with a reasonable discussion you immediately turn it around into an attack of sorts.   And when proven wrong, your standard comment is &#8220;thanks for sharing&#8221;.</p>
<p>I never professed to be an expert except in my own travel business. I do have an opinion for sure and if others share that opinion, well, that is not my fault. After all you have plenty that share yours&#8211;do you not?</p>
<p>And speaking of opinions, I already stated mine, but what are your thoughts on the NCL termination? Do you not need NCL any longer? Is Andy Stuart now going to be making beds with Lisa Bauer? Will you organize the &#8220;World&#8217;s Largest Gift Certificate Sale&#8221; to show them who&#8217;s boss?</p>
<p>Could it be that my sources a few months ago were correct in that a MAJOR player was preparing to drop YTB. Granted, I guessed wrong at the vendor. But, I do have a suspicion that there are some more to follow in NCL&#8217;s footprints and that there may even be a vendor I named that extensively modified your agreement.</p>
<p>What is your opinion on those items. I am always looking for the opinion from a &#8220;TravelPro&#8221;.</p>
<p>John</p>
<p>PS..which aisle would I find the soy sauce?</p>
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		<title>By: TravelPro</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravelPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief!

Of course you don’t understand, because what you copied and pasted went right over your head. These were “&lt;strong&gt;claimed as commissionable sales&lt;/strong&gt;”. The Agent raided the “&lt;strong&gt;booking system&lt;/strong&gt;” and “&lt;strong&gt;peeled off direct bookings&lt;/strong&gt;”. By using the word &quot;bookings&quot; DOES NOT mean or specify the commissions themselves now does it?

It’s not a huge issue for me like it is for you John. I’m not all over the internet like you are just happy to get noticed anywhere I can, proclaiming to be some sort of “expert”. If you want to pitch your idea that Joystar only pays 30% commission, be my guest. Knowing the industry the way I do, your idea is a complete pile horse hockey. 

Lastly, this “scheme” was not created by an MLM’er, it was conceived and shown to everyone in the industry by one of your own, a “Traditionalist”. If you ever do find an MLM’er who has the audacity to do the same, you can look back to this example as being the catalyst that started it all.

I want to be the first to thank you and other Traditionalists for being a shining example of how to cheat, steal and lie. You SHOULD feel proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief!</p>
<p>Of course you don’t understand, because what you copied and pasted went right over your head. These were “<strong>claimed as commissionable sales</strong>”. The Agent raided the “<strong>booking system</strong>” and “<strong>peeled off direct bookings</strong>”. By using the word &#8220;bookings&#8221; DOES NOT mean or specify the commissions themselves now does it?</p>
<p>It’s not a huge issue for me like it is for you John. I’m not all over the internet like you are just happy to get noticed anywhere I can, proclaiming to be some sort of “expert”. If you want to pitch your idea that Joystar only pays 30% commission, be my guest. Knowing the industry the way I do, your idea is a complete pile horse hockey. </p>
<p>Lastly, this “scheme” was not created by an MLM’er, it was conceived and shown to everyone in the industry by one of your own, a “Traditionalist”. If you ever do find an MLM’er who has the audacity to do the same, you can look back to this example as being the catalyst that started it all.</p>
<p>I want to be the first to thank you and other Traditionalists for being a shining example of how to cheat, steal and lie. You SHOULD feel proud.</p>
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		<title>By: jfrenaye</title>
		<link>http://www.justpictureitnow.com/2009/01/27/stealing-my-thunder/comment-page-1/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>jfrenaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article you cited says the following:
IHG had claimed that one of Joystar’s agents raided the IHG booking systems and took $163,000 in improper commissions. The lawsuit, filed in Atlanta on Oct. 15, claimed that Thomas Perkins, a former IHG employee and Joystar agent, accessed the IHG system and peeled off direct bookings, then claimed them as commissionable sales for himself and his wife.

According to the IHG complaint, Joystar kept $115,000 of the improperly claimed commissions.

Agent took 163K in COMMISSIONS (not bookings) and Joystar kept 115K.   The math still does not add up.  So much for your &quot;experience&quot; and &quot;expertise&quot;.

I was not talking about an identical scam. I was just commenting that this may indeed set a precedent that if an IC pulls a stunt (MLM or TTA) that the host may indeed be liable.

Not sure I understand your last paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article you cited says the following:<br />
IHG had claimed that one of Joystar’s agents raided the IHG booking systems and took $163,000 in improper commissions. The lawsuit, filed in Atlanta on Oct. 15, claimed that Thomas Perkins, a former IHG employee and Joystar agent, accessed the IHG system and peeled off direct bookings, then claimed them as commissionable sales for himself and his wife.</p>
<p>According to the IHG complaint, Joystar kept $115,000 of the improperly claimed commissions.</p>
<p>Agent took 163K in COMMISSIONS (not bookings) and Joystar kept 115K.   The math still does not add up.  So much for your &#8220;experience&#8221; and &#8220;expertise&#8221;.</p>
<p>I was not talking about an identical scam. I was just commenting that this may indeed set a precedent that if an IC pulls a stunt (MLM or TTA) that the host may indeed be liable.</p>
<p>Not sure I understand your last paragraph.</p>
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